Hellgate: London

[Bluepixie]

If you haven't seen the new trailer for this game go here!

http://www.hellgatelondon.com/downloads.html

I nearly wet my pants. I've no idea if the game is going to be as cool as this trailer sugests but if it is......oh my. A first-person shooter RPG will always be given my attention. Still waiting for something new to feed my hunger created by System Shock 2 and Deus Ex. :P

Maybe this is it. Or not.

Roll on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. :D

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

that does look cool (from the screenshots, apparently it will take me two hours to download the video - goddam you, ntl!).

It's like doom, except the daemon has a cricket bat - isnt that so addorable.



I think possibly someone has the wrong idea about London. or not.

[Bluepixie]

that does look cool (from the screenshots, apparently it will take me two hours to download the video - goddam you, ntl!).

It's like doom, except the daemon has a cricket bat - isnt that so addorable.



I think possibly someone has the wrong idea about London. or not.

LOL quite! Don't bother downloading the movie if it's going to take that long. I already have the X-large version and I shall let you see it at the lan. :p

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

not convinced im gonna make the LAn, as i have a friend from home coming down on saturday.

and a phone interview (yay!) for a call centre (not so 'yay!')

[DAve]

apparently it will take me two hours to download the video - goddam you, ntl!)
Funny, it took me less than 5 mins on the Uni's internet connection. Just under 200 kB/s. I've had it around 3500 kB/s once before though. Very early in the morning it gets quite speedy. (that's fast, I assure you :)

I think possibly someone has the wrong idea about London. or not.
I was watching Dr. Who the other day thinking just that. From the oposite angle though, I'm quite happy to see London repeatedly destroyed ;)

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

i think im going to cry

[Bluepixie]

I think possibly someone has the wrong idea about London. or not.

I was watching Dr. Who the other day thinking just that. From the opposite angle though, I'm quite happy to see London repeatedly destroyed ;)

Yeah, I like it too! And getting to run around doing more damage just seems too good to resist!

i think im going to cry

Man that sucks that you can't come. Will be more coming though, got a whole summer ahead of us!


Have a tissue. :D

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

why, thank you kind sir.

there is the additional problem of having to build a new computer by the weekend. (since this one is pure shite)

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

Man that sucks that you can't come. Will be more coming though, got a whole summer ahead of us!


I did reply to your message, but the reply keeps getting stuck in my outbox weirdly. so yeah, i might. its not so much. and i might turn up at your flat sometime.

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

think this might be a diferent game, strange - it looks like a similar idea:

http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/2005/05/london_crawling.php

[Bluepixie]

Dude, that just the same game. Just that Edge gave it a different title.

[Phizz]

d/ling the Medium video cos I've got less bandwidth than sense. :P I'll give my critique once it's down.

[Bluepixie]

New Screenshots (http://www.2404.org/screenshots/134/Hellgate:-London)

Can't be assed looked through them all?

Check this one (http://www.2404.org/downloads/Hellgate:%20London/11472800468.jpg)
this one (http://www.2404.org/downloads/Hellgate:%20London/11472800362.jpg)
and this one! (http://www.2404.org/downloads/Hellgate:%20London/11472800341.jpg)

[Strings]

why, thank you kind sir.

there is the additional problem of having to build a new computer by the weekend. (since this one is pure shite)

Pfft easy. If you get your head down, you can build a computer and test it for stability in a weekend.

To the LAN you must come, just bring your friend and I will give him a yoyo to play with. Peter could also teach him Morris Dancing.

[YegaDoyai]

/me I know Morris Dancing

/strings but can you use it?

[Strings]

Can I use what?

[Sideshow]

ah, the kiddies, and their complete incomprehension of IRC.

[Strings]

I was an IRC op for 1 and a half years.. its not the syntax that had me puzzled. It was what I can or cant use that had me curious.

[Sideshow]

"I recognize all three of those words but that statement doesn't make any sense."

[Strings]

Why the hell are you even posting? The question was addressed to Yega, not you.

Caught Fyndir-itus?

[Sideshow]

ooooo burn. OK, explanation (for something that's pretty obvious):

>/me I know Morris Dancing

yegadoyai says I know Morris Dancing.

/strings but can you use it?

strings says but can you use it?

[Strings]

You really are an idiot.

[Sideshow]

Well, one things for sure, at least one of us is.

[Ru]

NOooo! DONT FIGHT!!! (cryingggg, hands on ears). you're not going to divorce are you? i wana live with daddy! *sob* *sob*

[Sideshow]

Well, as Keith Mars says: Who's your daddy?!

[YegaDoyai]

Cheers Iain, saved me typing what would have been pretty much the same.

Chill out strings, maybe the stress of the exams has gotten to you. Reread my statement, you didn't learn anything, I did. Then, in Matrix fashion, I stated that I had learned it, clearly picking up on the Matrix esque dialog you responded with the retort. We then fought a long and bloodied Morris Dancing battle of which I was the victor. (I say I won as you previously defered to my superiour Morris Dancing abilities)

[Ru]

Yo, Bitches. Couple of things. I think a couple of folk were being a bit elitist, who will remain nameless. Sideshowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwyega.

If it was truly Matrix styly, then it is easy to see why Strings was confused. I myself read the statement and though "eh?". This is prob because, when Peter/Neo says "I know kung-fu", Strings/Morpheus reply's "show me".

NOT "can you use it?". Additionally, Neo/Peter loses that fight. Sorry.

"...daddy, and what does he do?! "

[YegaDoyai]

neo does not lose the fight, the fight ends when they both realise that neo would have won if they had continued

[Ru]

WRONG. WRONG.

[Phizz]

ok. this is turning into a flame war....
<modhat> *nothing*
Damn it.
can't close the thread. :-S

[Bluepixie]

Well, i suppose the thread is about a Hellgate being opened in London.....maybe it is approprate for the thread to end up this way.

[Bluepixie]

Oh HELL yes. :)
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/323/reviews/927136_20061120_screen002.jpg

[LastChanceHotel]

Oh dear.

that screenshot has QX6700 and 8800 written all over it.

:(

[Fyndir]

Don't know how much new information there is in here, but it seems worth bringing attention to. =) (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6164306.html?sid=6164306)

[YegaDoyai]

What the hell is this!?!

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=77644

Someone trying to get more money out of me just becuase they made the inventory too small in the first place!

[Hex]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070511.jpg

Thankfully it doesn't affect the single player. I guess this is what comes from a development studio started by ex-Blizzard staffers - they adopt the WoW model of economics :(

[Bluepixie]

Please, excuse my language here.

THAT IS TOTALLY FUCKING RETARDED!

Are they "actually" just trying to piss us off?!? What happened to "I've bought a working product?!?" BF2, ArmA, Stalker and GRAW are all good modern examples of games that have had serious gameplay/performance issues on release and for months later.

BUT THEY FUCKING PATCHED THEM FOR FUCKING FREE!! THEY SUPPORTED THEIR USERS!!!

Raping your gamers for extra cash so they can "actually" play the game properly is just fucking lame. If they keep this fucking shit feature the newly acquired fan base (and old Diablo fans, not exactly small) will go else were.

What a bunch of fucking arseholes. :evil:

[Hex]

I totally agree Pixie. I'll almost certainly buy this for the single player but I will *never* pay a monthly fee to play a game on-line, that's just bs.

[Uuurrahh]

YARRRRRRR. Pillaging, anyone?

[Tiberio]

Sounds very extreme for this, if that will be the case I will not buy the game, it's that simple.
I refuse to pay to play over the internet in any game, period, when spending 30£+ for some games it would be silly to then spend even more each month just to play online.
No thanks.

[LastChanceHotel]

Even if I was in the habit of paying for my legitimately backed up games, then I'd still balk at paying a subscription fee on top of that when there is no obvious need for additional infrastructure (Eg, world servers in MMO games).

[Ru]

why should we pay for immense games?! we should be given them at birth!!! 2142 and bf2 through the mail at the age of 10 free!!

[saladin]

This is exactly the problem I have with the new trend of "downloadable content" for console games. For example, they recently released new content for Crackdown on the 360. Some of it is free, but to get the full experience I have to shell out about eight quid through Microsoft's horrible Microsoft Points system.

The new content is so extensive that it made me think - do they deliberately release games before all the features have been implemented, so that we have to pay to get the rest of the features? If I'm paying fifty quid for a game (and I never pirate), why the hell shouldn't I be paying for the full deal?

[Hex]

If I'm paying fifty quid for a game (and I never pirate), why the hell shouldn't I be paying for the full deal?

This is the problem with the internet! It's bad enough when PC games companies take advantage of the ubiquity of the internet to release games before they've finished ironing the bugs out, and then release umpteen patches in the following months to fix problems that should have been fixed before launch (*cough cough* EA BF2 *cough*).

However at least patches are distributed for free. MS on the other hand, kings of overcharging for anything they can manage (I was outraged to discover I had to buy a 20 quid remote to watch DVDs on an xbox, but that's another story) have discovered that yes, they can also charge money for bonus packs of downloadable content. It's similar to the expansion packs companies like Blizzard have been releasing for decades, though arguably less value for money.

Tbh, this trend will continue unless we, the consumer, does something about it, and what we can do is this - download as much free shit as we can lay our hands on while studiously ignoring all pay-to-own, "premium" content. If enough people adopt this strategy, sooner or later the companies will give up and offer everything for free.

[--Mogwai--]

i think downloadable content with a price is an awesome idea. most people miss the point that all these expansions and massive, moderated servers ( in the case of mmo's i assume?) isnt FREE for the companies to provide, so why should it be free for the consumer? you pay a lump sum to buy the game that theyve spent a lot of money to bring to you in the first place. that used to work just fine for years and years. now THANKS to the internet, you have the ADDED option of buying EXTRA for your game, not stuff that was missed out due to some fault or some sort of evil corporate scheme, but genuine extra, non-essential-for-the-basic-product content..... and you complain about it???
theres a big difference between releasing a 'broken' game and either not patching it or paying for it to be patched, or instead releasing a full game and charging extra for extra content later down the line.
i mean i do not like the idea of paying a monthly fee to play games, purely because i think there are better ones available right now that dont involve a fee. but if an MMO was released that i couldnt resist (WAR looks immense for example) or if i had a 360 i'd pay for xbox live, id pay for new guitar hero songs or updated pro evo teams or whatever i felt would make my favourite games better.

PC games companies take advantage of the ubiquity of the internet to release games before they've finished ironing the bugs out, and then release umpteen patches in the following months to fix problems that should have been fixed before launch (*cough cough* EA BF2 *cough*).


EA ftw, tbh. how many other companies give a game (that was better than 99% of other games out there on release) so much constant free support to make it even better??? pretty much... zero.

[saladin]

f i had a 360 i'd pay for xbox live, id pay for new guitar hero songs or updated pro evo teams or whatever i felt would make my favourite games better.


It's not that they charge, it's what they charge for. If they're going to charge me so much to get extra content for my games, then they should charge less for the game in the first place, seeing as it isn't the finished product. If I pay fifty quid for a new 360 game, I expect that I'm getting the full deal. I shouldn't have to pay more than that - it's a rip-off!

[Sideshow]

Having to pay subscriptions for games? Larry, what you on? That's RETARDED! There's no way I can legally backup said games, and I am a penniless loser!

[Fyndir]

seeing as it isn't the finished product.

I think Mogwai's point was that what you're paying for is mini-expansions.

It's not that what you bought wasn't finished, it's that they've made extra to go along with it.

Would you claim that Brood Wars should have been free?

Would you claim that Winter Assault and Dark Crusade should be free?

You could argue, using the same logic that you have used for your other claims, that all of those expansions were simply rip offs since they should have been part of the original game, but frankly you'd be talking shit.

[Bluepixie]

I can see it now.

day 1 realease game - 50 bucks a pop.
shortly there after - $10*every monkey who takes the bait
close to a year - Expansion pack 30 bucks! BAM
every so often - Ultra premium super weapon $7
1 year reward - A sweet ass item = $120 (sucker)

I like how they just say they're "Rewarding loyal customers" "keeping the community happy"

I wish gamespy hardballed them and asked the BIG QUESTION.
What happens when a "suit" pulls the plug on support? and moves the team into the next new thing.

Then you have a "loyal fan base" realising they paid close to a thousand dollars for a game that's old.

Something like they'll get a free item in Hellgate 2!

I think that sums up the situation nicely.

[--Mogwai--]

I think Mogwai's point was that what you're paying for is mini-expansions.

It's not that what you bought wasn't finished, it's that they've made extra to go along with it.

Would you claim that Brood Wars should have been free?

Would you claim that Winter Assault and Dark Crusade should be free?

You could argue, using the same logic that you have used for your other claims, that all of those expansions were simply rip offs since they should have been part of the original game, but frankly you'd be talking shit.

lol yes thats what i was trying to say, youve pretty much hit the nail on the head there. 'downloadable content' are just mini-expansions that you pay a little for because youre only getting a little at a time.
as for Hellgate specifically - YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT PAY ANY MONTHLY FEE. and i know, i know... that you all have in-depth firsthand experience of the differences between elite and normal user accounts and thus are entirely qualified to cry about it... oh wait, the games not even out yet =/
if WoW all of a sudden offered 'free' no-fee user accounts that had a smaller inventory and maybe you had to wait to join a busy server, people would be over the moon.

[YegaDoyai]

Say £5 over 18 months = £90 + original cost of game = ~£120

£120 for 18months play where you will probably average something like 4 hours a week (288 hours) = £1.67 a week or 42p an hour for the total cost. HL2:EP1 bout 4 hours gaming. cost £20 £5p/h. Even if we bump up the hours you'd have to play EP1 for 48 hours to make it worthwhile. I know for sure as shit I'm not going to bother.

Enough said?

The thing I object to is that they do it at all. I understand that financialy it is easier to work if you have a steady cash flow, working the standard computer game model made several promising studios crumble becasuse they couldn't meet the day to day running costs even when they had studio backing. But don't make it a gay ass "we'll give you shiney trinkets for a small sum" just say we need to get cash in on a consistant basis so the flat rate is X and the upfront is Y. Game is the same regardless. Why can't they do this? Same reason you can't raise taxes without people throwing thier arms up about how unfair the universe is. Shame.

[Hex]

as for Hellgate specifically - YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT PAY ANY MONTHLY FEE. and i know, i know... that you all have in-depth firsthand experience of the differences between elite and normal user accounts and thus are entirely qualified to cry about it... oh wait, the games not even out yet =/
if WoW all of a sudden offered 'free' no-fee user accounts that had a smaller inventory and maybe you had to wait to join a busy server, people would be over the moon.

Okay the difference there is that WoW is an MMO - there is a huge amount of new content added and loads of infrastructure to maintain. While I would never buy into it, I can see the need for a monthly fee. Hellgate on the other hand is not an MMO. A Larger inventory is not a feature worthy of a monthly fee!

I don't mind paying 20 quid for an expansion pack cos you get a lot in them - generally a new campaign/story mode to play through, maybe some new weapons and armour, etc etc. If it were the same for hellgate I wouldn't care - I'd probably be willing to pay 10 or 20 quid extra for a "gold" version of the game which had the extra features. I'm not prepared to pay monthly fees for said content, cos it quickly stacks up to far far more money than expansion packs ever cost.

The other point to note is that they are segregating the online community. Imagine PvP between an elite player and a free player - it would be a joke! So the rich assholes get to own at the game while the poorer gamers get fucked in the ass - what a community that would be.

[--Mogwai--]

The other point to note is that they are segregating the online community. Imagine PvP between an elite player and a free player - it would be a joke! So the rich assholes get to own at the game while the poorer gamers get fucked in the ass - what a community that would be.

o rly? the game isnt even out yet, noone has played it, so there isnt an online playing community to segregate yet, anyone suggesting that the in-game mechanics between elite and normal users make the game a joke is clearly talking pish. also its hardly a divide between rich and poor at £5 a month is it. millions of people pay mandatory monthly subscriptions, an optional one is nothing to kick up a fuss about.

[Hex]

I'll agree that this is speculation, however I dunno how you can blithely talk about 5 pounds a month being a small amount of money. Maybe you're richer than I am lol, but I pay enough monthly subs (such as the 90 a month I pay for feckin car insurance) without adding any more. With regard to its affect on the online play, we'll have to wait and see eh ;)

[Sideshow]

Hellgate is not an MMO? Are you retarded or are you smoking crack? Or both?

[Hex]

mmm crack ;)

While the multiplayer has MMO style elements, it still includes a single player game so it's not strictly an MMO. The free play multiplayer certainly won't amount to an MMO, theres no way it could without monthly fees. I would call this game an RPG personally. I'll be buying it for the single player and not much else I suspect, though I'd be well game for some co-op at a LAN if that's possible, Diablo and D2 co-op was always class fun :D

[Sideshow]

So, moving on from retardry (which distracted me from Yega's comment) - I think £1.67 for 4 hours a week is a pretty sweet deal. Considering with most MMO's players tend to spend vastly more time than that playing, the ratio get's better and better.

[Bluepixie]

I guess we do just have to see how it works out really. Could be that the differences are minimal and that we're fretting over nothing. Heck, could turn out that the multiplayer is rubbish and you might as well stick with single anyway.

Regardless, for me the game is now not an "insta buy" but more of a "nay sure like". You guys that have money to burn can go try it out first. :p

[Fil2eFly]

indeed its gon in my books, from "insta download" to "is it worth my bandwidth?"

lol!

[GingerPrinz]

The free play multiplayer certainly won't amount to an MMO, theres no way it could without monthly fees.

Havent you ever played Guild Wars?

[Sideshow]

Dave, you're not doing yourself any favours. If someone says that game X does not give good value-for-money then you can argue about whether that's true. If someone says a pig is a duck then all you can do is smile, nod and move on.

*smiles*

*nods*

...

[Hex]

You act like theres never been a game that blurs genres before - the difference between a pig and a duck is pretty clear cut, and no animal on this earth (excluding unknown genetic experiments) could fall into both categories. However there are plenty of games that blur genre's or even invent new ones. There's really no need to act like I'm talking complete crap, all I'm pointing out is that Hellgate is not a tradition MMO in the style of WoW or Everquest....

[Sideshow]

You said Hellgate is not an MMO. MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online; games with a persistent world. Which is what Hellgate has. So yes, it is clear cut, genre blurring has got nothing to do with it, and you are talking complete crap.

[Thanatos]

and no animal on this earth (excluding unknown genetic experiments) could fall into both categories.

Duck-billed platypus?

[Hex]

Duck-billed platypus?

Not a cross between a pig and a duck!

You said Hellgate is not an MMO. MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online; games with a persistent world. Which is what Hellgate has. So yes, it is clear cut, genre blurring has got nothing to do with it, and you are talking complete crap.

I know what MMO stands for, there's really no need to treat me like an idiot. As I said, I was merely pointing out that it is not a traditional MMO - I don't know of any other MMO games which feature a single player game, and said single player game does not take place in any kind of persistant world. How about you try and keep your contempt in check rather than throwing insults around?

[Sideshow]

*smiles*

*nods*

...

[Thanatos]

If you look at what I quoted, I was talking about fitting into both categories - Mammal and Bird

[Hex]

Yes, but you were misquoting me - I said that no animal on earth could qualify as both a pig and a duck, not that no animal on earth could be both a mammal and a bird. A duckbilled platypus qualifies as neither a pig or a duck, and it certainly doesn't qualify as both.

[Strings]

This thread is getting dangerously close to being off topic...

So. Hellgate: London... if all goes well, are you looking forward to this more than any other forthcoming games?

[Hex]

/me shuffles back towards the topic sheepishly

I am looking forward to the single player on this immensely, I've always loved the Diablo series and the notion of a Diablo FPS fills me with glee :D. Tbh though the game I'm most looking forward to atm is TF2, closely followed by Portal. Yes yes, the black box shall be awesome!

[Thanatos]

/also shuffling

Yeh Portal looked amazing when the trailer came out, but probably really confusin to get the hang of properly I would think.

[saladin]

For an idea of what Portal may be like, you should try Narbacular Drop (http://www.nuclearmonkeysoftware.com/)

[Hex]

For an idea of what Portal may be like, you should try Narbacular Drop (http://www.nuclearmonkeysoftware.com/)

Just downloaded it and had a play, awesome stuff, but its tricky! I can imagine Portal being evil by comparison lol. I got as far as the level with the ledges and boulders on this try, kept getting squashed so I gave up. Sorry if this is going off topic, didn't mean to turn this into the Portal thread :? split if you like

[Thanatos]

Iv downloaded Narbacular from 2 different sites now and both times it says that the setup file is corrupt and I need to get a new copy. Whered you get yours Hex?

[Hex]

Narbacular Drop Download (http://www.digipen.edu/GameGallery/Games/downloads/NarbacularDrop.exe). This is the download they recommend on the main page, it's from digipen.edu. I've already deleted the installer I think but I had no trouble with it, worked fine first time. Are you using Vista? Could be an incompatibility of some sort....

[Fyndir]

Personally I'm really looking forward to whatever Blizzard are planning (http://www.blizzard.com/), it's really exciting.

It would be very strange and interesting if they were coming out with a new Diablo, don't you think?

[Hex]

I want a new Diablo game more than you'd imagine, that series is probably my favourite PC RPG ever. If they announce Diablo 3, I will dance a jig and video it for all to see lol

[DAve]

This thread is getting dangerously close to being off topic...
It's been off-topic for a while now, mate. :D

Oh, if only someone had the power to fix it.
"Save me superman" etc etc

[Hex]

Meh, it's coming vaguely back towards topic - after all Hellgate's developers created Diablo.

[Fyndir]

Massive Assault Network 2 (http://www.fileplanet.com/175778/170000/fileinfo/Massive-Assault-Network-2-Demo), looks fairly generic but I think it has potential to be quite fun, but would it be as fun as Hellgate: London?

That's the real question, and it is quite the question.

[Hex]

Think this may have been mentioned before, but it seems that HellGate London action figures (http://kotaku.com/gaming/statuesque/hellgate-london-collectibles-for-serious-rich-fans-only-265283.php) are shipping, apparently for extortionate amounts of cash. Does this mean the game will soon be upon us? Or do Flagship just need more cash to continue development?

[Bluepixie]

Hellgate is churning along in development hell, but looking good. :)

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/186/927136_20070706_screen001.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/200/reviews/927136_20070720_screen002.jpg

[Bluepixie]

Well, if you can't wait, it's beta sign up time! (http://hellgate.iahgames.com/en/community/?aid=97&sec=4&ssec=106)

[YegaDoyai]

did it yesterday :)

[Bluepixie]

*shakes fist*

Damn you! :p

[YegaDoyai]

Hey, you know only troll will get on the beta.

[Fyndir]

Troll get on beta?

Troll can not get on Beta.

From the page that puny Pixie woman (tee hee) linked to it wants me to pre-order the game aswell, Troll can not do this due to none of the goats that cross Troll's bridge having any golds. =(

[Hex]

That beta link doesn't work for me :-( must be dead from the weight of traffic

[Bluepixie]

Seems fine to me........

[Bluepixie]

Release Date (http://www.2404.org/news/2450/Hellgate:-London-Release-Date-Announced)

To be released on October 31st in North America and November 2nd in Europe.

[YegaDoyai]

Do it! Do it now! (http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?cookie_test=1&product_id=647062)

[Stakhanov]

Got my invitation to the friends and family beta a week or two ago. Had to pass, most unfortunate, but not too long till release.

[GingerPrinz]

Got my invitation to the friends and family beta a week or two ago. Had to pass, most unfortunate, but not too long till release.

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where was the hookup??????????

[Stakhanov]

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where was the hookup??????????

Too slow homes, someone else got there before you. Life's tough in the aluminium siding business.

[Sideshow]

aluminum

[YegaDoyai]

GTFO amerifag!

[Hex]

GTFO amerifag!

QTF

Aluminium is the correct spelling this side of the Atlantic :-P

[GingerPrinz]

Too slow homes, someone else got there before you. Life's tough in the aluminium siding business.

You offered it to your leather trousers wearing, bald, former landlord without evr telling me. Let it be known boys, if HGL is buggy - you have THIS man to blame.

[Sideshow]

Search for "tough" on this page (http://communicationsoffice.tripod.com/3-16.txt). Then STFU. Tards.

[Bluepixie]

What do people think about this?

one-time purchase of $149.99 USD to upgrade your Live online account to a lifetime subscription*.

Check out the official site. (http://www.hellgatelondon.com/beta/)

That's about £75 more or less but you must buy the game as well so lets say £100. That's what I gathered anyway. Might be worth it if people rack up the same amount of hours as they did in Diablo 2. Hmmmmmm

[acc85]

is anyone playing the Hellgate London beta? and are you on the alpha server?..for some reaosn I can only play on the alpha server >.>...

[GingerPrinz]

15th post lol. Grrrrrr /jealous of HGL beta access

[Bluepixie]

It's gone gold.

Demo is out tomorrow. w00t!

Official Site (http://www.hellgatelondon.com/)

[acc85]

Who will actually go and purchase hellgate london. Seeing as there might be a P2P fee, doubt it'll catch the interest of many people.

[Bluepixie]

Anyone tried the demo yet? Everyone too busy?

[Thanatos]

yeh I have.

Didnt realise it was a 3rd person,choose class and gain experience points to level up kinda game. tbh I didnt read up on it much , just watched the cool trailers. I dont really play that kinda game much so dont know how it rates compared to others.

Looks cool and I have a bad ass purpley sword at the moment

[neogramps]

i went as a guns character so it was first person for me. found the interface a bit clumsy, and nothing impressed me that much in the demo.

[GingerPrinz]

Who will actually go and purchase hellgate london. Seeing as there might be a P2P fee, doubt it'll catch the interest of many people.

I think WoW pretty much proved that Pay to Play isn't really that much of an issue when gamers want to play something. There was probably a P2P before WoW, but no game has it's userbase, for all you haters out there:)

I for one will be in amongst HGL like some sort of rabid dog. Plus as far as I understand it the P2P is optional in HGL.

[Hex]

Just downloading the Demo, I'll post my thoughts when I've actually played it (1.5Gb dl so not for a few hours heh)

[GigaFuzz]

i went as a guns character so it was first person for me. found the interface a bit clumsy, and nothing impressed me that much in the demo.

Same thoughts here. The gun itself felt very weak and unsatisfing to me. Holding down a mouse button until the bad guy dies didn't seem like much fun.

I'll give it another go with the Blademaster class later on, and see if that's any better.

[Hex]

This is thoroughly disappointing. The graphics looks bollocks, with everything turned up full, on my ridiculous spec machine! I really hope the DX10 graphics are a substantial improvement cos on XP this looks like crap!

As for the gameplay, after playing for 10 mins with a gunfighter character I was utterly bored. This is not the game I hoped it would be :-(

[acc85]

I'm expecting more from the full release. It's more exciting if you have more player in one instance than jsut yourself alone in the world in my opnion . I just recently recieved two BETA keys for HGL. Already given one away and so I have one more. Any takers?

[GingerPrinz]

BANG right here mate please please please.

EDIT: Also I work as a tester so it's not just going to some noob that doesn't know one end of a bug from the other :D

[acc85]

BANG right here mate please please please.

EDIT: Also I work as a tester so it's not just going to some noob that doesn't know one end of a bug from the other :D

check your private messages

[Hex]

It's more exciting if you have more player in one instance than jsut yourself alone in the world in my opnion.

Meh, this may be true, but tbh based on my experiences with the demo I'm not about to shell out £40 for this. When the full release comes out I'll get one of you folk to show me the improvements, then I might think about buying it.

[GingerPrinz]

THANKYOU

[YegaDoyai]

Hex, screenies please. Particularly where you feel it looks poor.

[Hex]

Hex, screenies please. Particularly where you feel it looks poor.

I'll try and take some when I get home.

[acc85]

wee got my copy of Hellgate London. Who's gonna be playing this game?

[GingerPrinz]

The beta didn't speak volumes to me, I'm gonna stick with WoW until some good reviews and content updates come out for this game. MMOs always get better over time anyway.

[Bluepixie]

Gamespot Review (http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/hellgatelondon/review.html?page=1&sid=6182588&tag=topslot;title;1)

Clearly one review is one point of view, but the vibe I'm getting on the forum and else were is less than encouraging. Shame really.

[saladin]

See, I really like the idea of Hellgate London. Not the multiplayer, because I don't think it's worth paying for content on a game like this, but the singleplayer sounds good. Eurogamer had a fairly positive review as well.

I think I'll probably buy it tomorrow - got some review copies of games to trade in, so it shouldn't cost too much :)

[Bluepixie]

Arg! Too Awesome! Need Sleep!

[Sideshow]

Really?

[To0]

I think he posted in the wrong section.

[saladin]

You know what, he didn't. I lent him my copy, and I guess he's been playing it for too long.

[To0]

What did you think of it?

[saladin]

At the time, I sort of enjoyed it. The graphics were shitty, but the game play seemed like a nice dose of retro fun Diablo-stylee. However, I found that some of the classes were overpowered - for instance, my first was a Hunter Marksman ranged character, and I played through a big chunk of the singleplayer without getting hit once. I tried again with a Paladin-type class, and found that the melee combat was far more involving, but ultimately my enjoyment was spoiled by the poor storyline and the shoddy ugly graphics.

The multiplayer was, for me, a letdown as well. For one thing, I wasn't aware that you were not allowed to import singleplayer characters to the multiplayer. This meant that singleplayer was essentially time wasted if you ever intend on playing online, as you have to start over again at level 1. I'd say that if you had a group of friends to play throught it with it would be fun, but any attempt to hook up with randoms online to play with was useless.

Overall, it was a disappointment, but a disappointment that I played and somewhat enjoyed for about a week.

[Sideshow]

To be clear: it's not a MMORPG like WoW, it's more like a WoW instance. You can meet other players in the little bases (which act like game lobbies), and then team up with them. You select a mission and go do it, with a cap of something like 8(?) players in your party. Once you leave the base you never see any other players, just you party.

[saladin]

Yeah, but finding a party to play with is next to impossible if you don't know them already.

[Sideshow]

so even worse...

[Bluepixie]

So yeah. I played it yesterday for about 5hrs roughly in two sittings. I got a party going each time (with 2 and 3 people respectively) and had a bloody good time. I chose to play as an evoker, (offensive magic caster i.e. sorcerer in D2) which is great fun.

Basically, if you enjoyed D2, you'll enjoy Hellgate. I didn't play D2 the same way as some people here but I did like it, and Hellgate offers all of that again, only more visceral. The people that said the combat sucked clearly didn't play evoker, ooooh yeaeeah.

I'm gonna go buy me a copy tomorrow as a, "I've finished uni" present. Game on.

[saladin]

Hmm...that's interesting. Maybe the crowd playing it have matured now that the game's well past its release date.

If you buy a copy, give me mine back and we can try to get a game going.

[DAve]

Basically, if you enjoyed D2, you'll enjoy Hellgate. I didn't play D2 the same way as some people here but I did like it, and Hellgate offers all of that again, only more visceral. The people that said the combat sucked clearly didn't play evoker, ooooh yeaeeah.

I'm gonna go buy me a copy tomorrow as a, "I've finished uni" present. Game on.

You've finished uni? Well done, mate.

I sincerely hope that you'll do the decent thing and keep us all company instead of buggering off ;)

[Fyndir]

Yeah, don't be like DAve.

[Octavion]

Hmm...that's interesting. Maybe the crowd playing it have matured now that the game's well past its release date.

If you buy a copy, give me mine back and we can try to get a game going.

I may have to nick my flatmate's copy and join you guys.

Also, grats on becoming a graduand Pixie.

[Bluepixie]

k, have my own copy now. Ready to rock. You got your copy Lewis?

[saladin]

Hellgate devs not happy, leaving in droves (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=149500)

Not a good sign.

[Bluepixie]

Indeed, looks like now is the time to play it then, before things go tits up.

[Jusefina]

i bought it at release back in october or was november.. forced myself to play to lvl 35 or so. didnt enjoy it one bit. maybe i should give it another chance and hope i like it this time around.

[Bluepixie]

Hellgate: London closing January 31 (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6199996.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6199996)

Knew it was coming but I still feel sorry for the hardcore fan base, gotta suck.

[Hex]

Hellgate: London closing January 31 (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6199996.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6199996)

Knew it was coming but I still feel sorry for the hardcore fan base, gotta suck.

Shit games don't tend to have long lives, doubly true when they're full of bugs.

[saladin]

It wasn't a shit game. Buggy, yes. Botched. Over-reaching. But not shit.

[Bluepixie]

Lol, quit baiting me Hex, not interested. :p

[Sideshow]

Shit

[GigaFuzz]

Are there any MMOs that have had a shorter lifespan?

[saladin]

Are there any MMOs that have had a shorter lifespan?

The only one that springs to mind is Auto Assault, but it lasted a year and four months, while Hellgate only clocked up a year and three.

[Fyndir]

I really liked the concept of Auto Assault, but it was yet another case of poor execution.

[Sideshow]

Except Hellgate isn't an MMO

[saladin]

Except Hellgate isn't an MMO

Horseshit. It was massively multiplayer (in theory, but no-one actually played it) and it was online. How else would you define it?

[To0]

Shit

/Obvious

[Sideshow]

Hellgate is an MMO if Diablo + battle.net is an MMO. Or just see Peter's reply above.

[To0]

If Diablo + battle.net = MMO then I played the first MMOs

Kali + Duke/Descent
TEN = Duke/Rott/Blood et al

[saladin]

No, that is flawed reasoning. Diablo allowed a maximum of 4 players per hosted server (as far as I can recall). This is not massively multiplayer. On the other hand, Hellgate had two servers, each catering either to the US or the EU and capable of hosting thousands of players at a time. That made it massively multiplayer, just like any of the other MMOs.

[Bluepixie]

Hellgate, once patched to it's current state is actually, as I've said before, really good fun. My image of the game was completely in tune with the "it's shit" crowd until I "played it", which I seem to recall none of the "it's shit" crowd did. Experience over 2nd hand knowledge in my book any day.

With regards to it's pigeon hole:

Multiplayer

Hellgate: London was designed to be primarily focused on solo and cooperative PvE combat, but players can duel and there is a free-for-all PvP Mode for subscribers. Dueling can only take place outside of Underground hubs. Players can also choose to enter into PvP mode, which means they can be attacked and harmed outside of Underground hubs by anyone else that has chosen to enter PvP mode. That is, those in PvP mode, must always be ready for PvP. This is a way to have wide-ranging free-for-alls, or create a “friendly-fire” way of playing the game.[8] In multiplayer mode, players can meet and organize for team play and quests in safe zones - the old Underground stations, protected by the Freemasons' wards. The world will not be split in "shards" or servers, but rather play like a massively multiplayer online game with heavy instancing, such as Guild Wars. Every character is capable of soloing the entire game. Grouping with other players is optional, though grouping will bring benefits in terms of experience gain and items. As the number of players within an instance increase, the difficulty of the instance increases. The game does not feature LAN support.[9]
- Wiki - Hellgate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellgate)

So yeah, it's an action-rpg with MMO instancing during multiplayer. I guess because the game was designed to allow singleplayer it doesn't qualify for the MMO title.

[saladin]

Just because a game has a singleplayer aspect doesn't stop it being a MMO. Age of Conan is entirely singleplayer up until level 20 or something like that.

[Fyndir]

???

Sally, your vagina is flopping around on the keyboard and spouting nonsense again.

[Sideshow]

battle.net had a similar server split with hundreds of thousands of players. Anyway, to be clear: it's not an MMO if you can only play the game (the GAME part, not the quest select screen) with 7 other people. You might as well say CS is an MMO.

[Bluepixie]

???

Sally, your vagina is flopping around on the keyboard and spouting nonsense again.

ROFLWTFBBQ?!?!? Post of the month surely?!?!? ROFL

[saladin]

That's a fair point, Iain. But isn't that the same system that Guild Wars fololows? Communal areas with instanted questing?

Also, troll is fail. Troll elsewhere please.

[Fyndir]

I'm not trolling.

"Age of Conan is entirely singleplayer up until level 20" is not even close to the truth, given that there are two seperate PVP instances and two PVE instances that you play in for the first 16 levels. There are, in addition to this, 'destiny quests' which are done in a single-player environment so that weaker classes can catch up to stronger classes without being ganked constantly. These also serve the purpose of progressing the storyline, and giving you some nice equipment as quest rewards. However the single player portion can be skipped over, giving you the choice of staying within the multi-player areas for the whole time.

After level 16 a quest to leave the 'newbie' area opens up, but if you complete all the quests in those first few instances you can easily hit break level 20, and some of the quests will require a group.

Claiming that it's 'singleplayer until level 20' is just so fucking far from the truth that I chose to describe your babbling nonsense in a humourous way, in the hope that you would be smart enough to see what I was doing and check your facts.

[To0]

Troll is anti-troll???

[neogramps]

i agree with troll, AoC was sp only for thr first half hour, as soon as you enter the first city you are a surrounded by and bumping into people all the time and only certain quest areas are sp instanced.

[Sideshow]

I don't know, I've never played Guild Wars. Lets see what Wikipedia says...

EDIT: screw wikipedia, lets look at the official faq (http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars/features/default.php), wherein the developers don't really see Guild Wars as an MMORPG.

[Hex]

Lol, quit baiting me Hex, not interested. :p

Not even baiting, I played the game, my opinion of it was that it was shit. Graphics were bollocks compared to other releases at the time, gameplay was thoroughly dull (from what I played anyway) and as said it was full of bugs. I was really looking forward to it and it was a massive disappointment.

[Bluepixie]

I mind that you played the demo, which was indead shit.

[Hex]

Aye well unless they rewrote half the game between the demo release and the retail release I'd wager it was still pretty sub-par :-P

[Sideshow]

I know it was crap, but I also know some of you managed to wade through the tepid effluence to find the slightly squidgy hard nugget of shite that was at least a little bit fragrant. So here, have at it (http://uk.kotaku.com/5804814/grab-your-hellgate-beta-keys-while-theyre-hot)

[neogramps]

Wtf, who the hell made their website:

Run the downloaded installation file
to install the program as a screen.

When you are accessed to the game, first step is to create a character. When character is created, you may start by selecting a character.

You may play in tutorial mode when
you are logged into the game.
Follow the tutorial and Enjoy the game

[Hex]

Wtf, who the hell made their website:

I believe the new developers are Korean...

[neogramps]

Well lets hope it's as good as other things finished by Koreans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ReoBPl4mM)