CS tournament for next lan. (sign up! - 6 spaces left) [Archive]

Sid

14th October 2005, 15:44

I thought it would be good fun to organise a counter-strike 1.6 tournament so here goes...

This will be a 3v3 tournament unless loads of extra players turn up.

Below is the tournament setup with the players who have signed up so far:

http://johnstonecw.users.corenode.com/cs-plan.JPG

RULES
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3on3
Maxrounds 12
Roundtime 2.00 minutes
C4Timer 35 seconds
FriendlyFire On
ForceChaseCam 2
Fade to Black On
Knifes to decide teams
15 second freeze time
No sheilds

Post in this thread if you want to join-in on the action. You don't need to be a great player. It's just all a bit of fun, and then you'll be randomly assigned to a team.

Rolento

14th October 2005, 16:09

You can count me in. And surely you're forgetting the legendary de_inferno!

Fyndir

14th October 2005, 17:14

I'll almost definetely be there assuming nothing major fucks up.

I'm even looking for a cheapo TFT just for you guys. Putting off a new graphics card for it. Consider yourselves loved. =P

Sid

14th October 2005, 17:43

You can count me in. And surely you're forgetting the legendary de_inferno!

Inferno is way too big for 3v3s unforunately.

I'm even looking for a cheapo TFT just for you guys. Putting off a new graphics card for it. Consider yourselves loved. =P[/I]

You'd be far better putting your mone into a new graphics card - half the people that come use CRTs. Admittedly, they're not ideal, but it's better than you have a card that can actually play the games over having a monitor that's a bit easier to carry around.

Fyndir

14th October 2005, 18:18

I'm even looking for a cheapo TFT just for you guys. Putting off a new graphics card for it. Consider yourselves loved. =P[/I]

You'd be far better putting your mone into a new graphics card - half the people that come use CRTs. Admittedly, they're not ideal, but it's better than you have a card that can actually play the games over having a monitor that's a bit easier to carry around.

Oh my current card can play most recent games like HL2, Doom3, WoW (at between 30 and 40 FPS on average), CS:S..it's just not ideal because of the turbocache-ing using up a little chunk of my RAM.

Also I dunno how I'd transport all of this, headset, CRT, desktop machine, pile of games and all that jazz.

It would be a LOT easier for me to have a TFT even if I only used it for the LANs.

Actually, there is the TFT upstairs, but I don't know if my sister wants it or if my dad has plans for it.

Basically I'm gonna wait and see, if I can get that one I'll see about picking up a graphics card sometime and if not it'll be TFT first and see if I can convince my family to get me a graphics card for Christmas. =P

As usual with me whatever plans I make will change dramatically at some point, I guess I just enjoy typing my thoughts on things and seeing where I end up. =D

gor

15th October 2005, 16:03

3on3 is a great idea, nothing like a bit of competition to get the adrenaline pumping. However it will only work if people have some kind of knowledge of what it entails beforehand.

I realise that everyone in GUNS is at a different level on the cs front. So some of this might seem basic to some. If you are under the impression that a 3on3 will just be: show up on a server, and straight from spawn run around frantically - like we did last lan on the Public server - your wrong.

Match styleee is a bit more serious and still good fun: obviouly each team will have 3 players, and after 12 rounds, the players switch teams. So in total everyone will play 24 rounds, 12 as CT and 12 as T. Starting Teams are decided by a knife round which has no impact other than starting teams on the overall score.

Match etiquette generally is as follows:

1 CT at bombsite A
1 CT at bombsite B
1 CT middle connecting the two - or backing up the most vulnerable site.

If you were to lose the pistol round you will find that you will be strapped for cash for the next 2 rounds, in which case CT's will buy nothing - ECO
You would expect the Terrorists to win the first 3 rounds typically (some clans have very strong ECO tactics however)

So on the 4th round both CT and T should be equipped fully. 1 AWP and 2 M4's perhaps + armour + nades.

Communication is essential, ventrilo is a must! If your money is low, perhaps T's have won 3 rounds running, you would expect someone to call "ECO" inwhich case all CT's would know not to buy. You might feel the best idea is to stick together this round - All go one site? My point here is someone should call, team leader if you like, to organise the team.

Maybe team leader candidates (people with the most match sense) could be seeded?

For instance, with my team of 3, I would clear up a few simple things before starting: I will watch this site, you watch the other etc... plus giving each map area a communal name. Most people will know long/short and B on dust2, but does your team know the area names for other maps? I know I would probably struggle on a few.

As T, calling is important, during freezetime (notice its 15 seconds which is fairly long). TL might say - this round we will rush this site, all buy flash and smoke to push back the CT's?

T tactics on dust2 are typically, 'full rush B', 'B split' (send 1 middle), full rush A long or short and 'A split' (rush both). Hopefully the Team leader would be able to call such a tactic or whatever map.

Perhaps 10 minute tactic time could be allowed before each match? To allow each team to confer, whether it be on vent, on the server or in person.

If anything is slightly vague, post and I'll explain as best I can.

Fyndir

15th October 2005, 16:33

Gee, you managed to make that sound complicated. =P

To me it's mostly common sense, if you're low on cash you buy (at very MOST) kevlar+helmet+secondaryammo, usually just a little bit of ammo.

You use your team weapon (glock/USP) to avoid extra spending and (on DE maps as a CT) you might want to nab a defuse kit just incase (one person in the team do so, preferably the one with the most money).

Or you do like I did one glorious day on Dust, go AFK to get a drink before the round starts (after dying the previous round) and then realise your ENTIRE TEAM IS DEAD and almost every CT is still alive, so you, of course, throw away your glock and sneak out for the bomb, calmly knifing anyone you come across in the process and stealing their guns and then somehow manage to wipe out 7 CTs in this manner.

god that was the best round of my life, I'm usually a 8 to 3 score kinda guy 'cause I ALWAYS concentrate on the team wins rather than my personal score, public servers or not. =)

Uh, my point was, you're making it all complicated and giving us dumb people headaches, meany. =(

gor

15th October 2005, 17:10

Uh, my point was, you're making it all complicated and giving us dumb people headaches, meany. =(

You would be amazed how much this game has been analysed, believe it or not my post is relatively simple. Check the dust tactic, amoung others here. http://www.planethalflife.com/cstactics/

Your right a lot of it is common sense, but combine that with game sense and teamwork, and your on to a winner.

Phizz

16th October 2005, 05:32

I'm up for it but whoever is unlucky enough to get me on there team may need a couple of byes. :-D

DAve

16th October 2005, 11:17

I'm all for it as well. I think I've got a copy of CS lying about here doing nothing as well. How handy.
I'm of average skills. Sometimes they don't pay the bills though, sometimes it's like shooting pit in a barrel. Err, office with shotgun.

Thanks for organising this, I'm a bit swamped at the moment.

gor

16th October 2005, 12:30

Thanks for organising this, I'm a bit swamped at the moment.

Not a problem, with some planning, it shouldn't take up that much of a day. Everyone will have about an hour and a half to two hours playing time.

Strings

16th October 2005, 16:05

Long as we play some CS:S this time round, I dont mind :)

And you guys cant use low FPS as an excuse ;)

Sid

16th October 2005, 16:35

Long as we play some CS:S this time round, I dont mind :)

And you guys cant use low FPS as an excuse ;)

Yeah, I'm game for some source next time - just need to buy half life 2 first, though. So you game for the 1.6 tournament, though? Will I put your name down?

Also, Ideally we'd have the six players with the most match experience seeded as team leaders. I expect you'd be one of those... Who else has some match experience and would like to be one of the leaders?

Fyndir

16th October 2005, 18:38

Long as we play some CS:S this time round, I dont mind :)

And you guys cant use low FPS as an excuse ;)

CS:S would be good, but I think for the proper matches suggested we'd have to go with 1.6 just so that EVERYONE can get a decent FPS and such.

Fearon

16th October 2005, 19:17

Some rounds of CS:S would be cool, is there a way to get Steam connected to the internet at the LAN place as I need to get updates for it to play CS:S.

gor

16th October 2005, 20:13

I would try to get any updates before the lan, internet access is limited.

Steam has recently been given a make-over (new curvey skin), so those that haven't been on in a while are probably a few updates behind.

Strings

16th October 2005, 21:11

Nah dont put me down mate.. I dont have a steamified 1.6 on my PC and I dont really want to buy it either. Will just watch.

Fyndir

16th October 2005, 21:15

Nah dont put me down mate.. I dont have a steamified 1.6 on my PC and I dont really want to buy it either. Will just watch.

='(

What kind of CS player are you?

disgusting.. =P

Strings

17th October 2005, 00:38

Im a Source player now mate..

1.6 just looks and feels digusting now.

Fyndir

17th October 2005, 00:41

Im a Source player now mate..

1.6 just looks and feels digusting now.

I know what you mean, but I keep it installed for nostalgia anyway.

Sid

17th October 2005, 01:45

Some rounds of CS:S would be cool, is there a way to get Steam connected to the internet at the LAN place as I need to get updates for it to play CS:S.

Yeah, CS:S will very probably be played at LAN. This tournament is 1.6, though. You interested in playing?

Nah dont put me down mate.. I dont have a steamified 1.6 on my PC and I dont really want to buy it either. Will just watch.

Yeah, fair enough. If you change your mind about playing you could find a mate to lend you a login to setup the game beforehand. Upto you.

DAve

17th October 2005, 14:42

[official hat]
Please, please try and update steam beforehand. It makes my life much easier if you do.
[/official hat]

Edit: System Shock 2 / retro lan thread is split here:
http://guns.snakebomb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1733

Fyndir

19th October 2005, 12:24

This is handy because it can also be used to host a ventrilo (http://www.ventrilo.com/)(voice-comm) server for the tournament where each team will have it's own password-protected channel.

I have ventrilo, but I thought of something today, will I need to pick up a sound card (given that I currently only have onboard sound) in order to use CS and Ventrilo at the same time?

Sid

19th October 2005, 13:16

I have ventrilo, but I thought of something today, will I need to pick up a sound card (given that I currently only have onboard sound) in order to use CS and Ventrilo at the same time?

Nope the two wave outputs are just mixed through the same line-out port on your motherboard. You'll be fine.

On another note, where is everyone!? We had at least 15 people playing CS last LAN. Surely a few of those would like to give this a try. It's not going to dominate your day - It'll take just under an hour for each game you play and you'll be allocated a time for your matches - so you can play other games the rest of the time.

Might try and get some small prizes for the winning team, although I can't think of anything, yet. If you know of anyone that hasn't signed up yet, let them know about this thread!

Strings

19th October 2005, 15:08

Some just dont frequent the forums often, or cant be arsed posting. Im sure you will get a good reception at the LAN though mate.

And to Fyndir. There is no need for password protected Vent channels. All that needs done is CT joins one channel and Ts join another. Be poor taste if someone was in the wrong channel on purpose.

Sid

19th October 2005, 15:15

Some just dont frequent the forums often, or cant be arsed posting.

Yeah, I realise that. If you know any of those people, can you get them to come on and just post their name. It'll be a nightmare trying to organise this all on Saturday morning.

And to Fyndir. There is no need for password protected Vent channels. All that needs done is CT joins one channel and Ts join another. Be poor taste if someone was in the wrong channel on purpose.

Although you're correct, I will create a password-protected channel for each team so they can discuss things outside match. Also there's gonna be 2 games going on at any one time so it'll save confusion.

Strings

19th October 2005, 19:53

Tis just unnecessary work is all. I have been using Vent for a good two years now. I've seen 30+ people on our server having as many as 5 different games at the same time, ands its just a case of going into the right channel.

And they can discuss things before/after matches in the same channel. My clan's vent channels are these.

Public
AFK
Private (passworded)
Match
CTs
Ts
Dawn of War
BF2
Splinter Cell

That accomodates a good 30 people, at least 15 which are not clan members. So for the LAN.. Id imagine...

Lobby
AFK
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
Match (etc etc depending how many games are on at once)

Since the admin of the server can move players around the channels, everything is done in seconds. But with passwords, that becomes hellofalot more complicated, for no good reason.

I can help set it up, little tweaks etc to minimise lag and what not 8)

Sid

20th October 2005, 09:18

Strings I wouldn't agree that the work is unnecessary. I've been playing CS for 4-5 years and using vent for pretty much all of that time - I know how these things are run normally. However this is different - I've got to make the whole experience user-friendly for first timers. And BTW... your vent server will obviously be run differently due to the fact that it's a clan-specific server. If it was a server for multiple clans you'd find that the clan's match channels would be passworded.

Yeah, I've been on vent servers with hundreds of users online and at least 10 matches happening at once. That's all very well because most of the users are experienced.

Frankly I want to make this tournament as easy as possible for users and also to run as smooth as possible. I don't want the risk of some noob hopping around all the match channels annoying everyone currently in-game.

Having a few match channels is bad because users won't have a clue which one to join. Half of the users will have forgotten who's in their team and then trying to get them to leave after a match for the next team...it will become a nightmare, I'm sure of it.

Yes, I know I'll have admin of the server and could move people around, but it's so much unnecessary hassle.

Everyone that's entered the tournament will recieve a piece of paper at the start with their:
-name
-team
-vent server, channel and password
-time, ip and pass for all their matches.

gor

20th October 2005, 09:18

Nah dont put me down mate.. I dont have a steamified 1.6 on my PC and I dont really want to buy it either. Will just watch.

I got the impression you were an ex-1.6 man, so why the need to purchase it? It would take an hour of gameplay to adjust to 1.6. You might even grow to prefer it. The graphics are basic, but the the aiming system and hitboxes are incontestable.

I have an account free, no purchase required.

sid and I are used to bustling multiple clan vents, where everything passworded is pretty much essential, but its six and half a dozen whether it has to be done at lan, it doesn't matter.

nemesis

21st October 2005, 00:59

Yep, I'll play CS

(if there's something CS: S realted happening, then stick me down for that aswell :D)

Strings

21st October 2005, 01:28

Cool cool sid mate, Vent with 100 players must have been crazy. And yeh I played 1.6 to death mate, before there was souce. But I dont have the actual game anymore, and as this is a new built PC, Its not on it.

If youve got a spare way to get it on then cool. But I just dont want to make a fool of myself with it. I tried playing it on Yega's PC at this last LAN, and I just cant get my head round it anymore.

gor

21st October 2005, 13:57

You dont need the actual game anymore, steam has all games preloaded and can be downloaded directly. CS takes approx 8 minutes on my 2meg connection.

Have you registered your HL copy on steam before you lost it?
If not you could try get a hold of an account (or key) from a friend not attending the lan, that would be ideal. But if not my second account is there.

Sid

21st October 2005, 14:00

Cool cool sid mate, Vent with 100 players must have been crazy.

It wasn't really much different, you just had to change the settings so that there wasn't a Text-to-speech when users connect/disconnect.

If youve got a spare way to get it on then cool. But I just dont want to make a fool of myself with it. I tried playing it on Yega's PC at this last LAN, and I just cant get my head round it anymore.

Cool, well g0r has a spare steam login with CS, so you should be fine. I doubt you'll make a fool of yourself, as ou'll know all the tactical side of things. Your aim might be a bit off but I doubt it'll be any worse than most other players.

Yep, I'll play CS

Nice one.

DAve

21st October 2005, 21:22

Cool, well g0r has a spare steam login with CS, so you should be fine. I doubt you'll make a fool of yourself, as ou'll know all the tactical side of things. Your aim might be a bit off but I doubt it'll be any worse than most other players.
If at all possible, can you arrange to install Steam beforehand and get g0r's logon to work then. It's a lot less hastle if it all works beforehand.

Cheers

Sideshow

27th October 2005, 16:42

Sid

27th October 2005, 17:47

Format wise, I'd suggest three or four rounds of swiss pairings, followed by the lead two teams in a head-to-head grand final. This is better than knock out, because it means everyone gets to play; no one has to sit around being a bored spectator until the final match up.

Yeah, at the start of the thread I'd said how I'd decided against a knock-out tournament for that exact reason. It's going to be a '2 leagues of 3' type system with the winners of each league playing each other and the 2nd place from each league playing each other.

Are you wanting to play? Will I put your name down?

Bluepixie

28th October 2005, 10:49

sid, Im ment to be making a timetable for the LAN. My main idea is basically a slot system. There will be a themed time slot with a list of games. We have a vote for each slot before the lan starts then we play what is picked for each slot. For example:

12 - 13
Everyone Can PLAY! (w00t)
CS 1.6 (Open Game)
UT Toury
Quake 3
HLD

13 - 15
RTS + Tactical FPS

RTS
Starcraft
DoW
C&C Generals
TA

Tactical Games
Ghost Recon
Raven Shield
Vietcong
SC: Chaos Theory

Please note there can be mutliple votes here mainly because of lack of slots with most of these games. Aim here is to have TFPS and RTS happening at the sametime

15 - 16
Team Deathmatch
HL2DM
Halo (Demo)
UT2004
ET
Vietcong

etc etc etc etc

Now, myself and the Dave have had a quick chat about this and he's all for it. The main thing that lets the LANs down is not the lack organisation, BUT because people don't follow it! I hope this idea will be simple and flexible enough to stop this from happening.

For example at the last LAN, we were trying out Sideshows "GameCall" program. Everyone picks a game, games are sorted randomly into a list.

Fair enough.

So we start playing CS. It is played for about an hour and a half. Next up is UT2004. So, some people start playing it, but some people continue to play CS. Then it fell apart from there.

I HATE going round TELLING people to play games. Donâ€™t feel right. However, itâ€™s even more annoying when almost half the people at the lan are just fannying about!

Grrrrrrrrr.

So, what I need to know is how long this Tournament will be and hence how much time will need to be put aside for it. Main two main options:

1. The Tournament is held in parallel with the LAN, i.e. players get taken out of the main LAN to play the Tourny.
2. The Tournament is given slots around other games. I.e. the Tournament will be the only thing happening. People now involved will have to watch, install games, socialise etc etc Only CS SLOT

I am more in favour of having slots for the Tourny and making it the ONLY CS slots.

Your thoughts?

Sideshow

28th October 2005, 10:59

So we start playing CS. It is played for about an hour and a half. Next up is UT2004. So, some people start playing it, but some people continue to play CS. Then it fell apart from there.

Well, my recollection is that everyone that could play UT2K4 did so, and everyone else (us poor people with crappier computers) played something else, which was the agreed upon etiquette in that situation. I thought the list of random games was played fairly consitently, up until it was time to play Total Annihilation. At that point some FPS players went up and erased the whiteboard, and put in what they wanted to play (naming no names ;) )

P.S. LOL at the RTS section, which is half FPS's :D

DAve

28th October 2005, 11:29

I am more in favour of having slots for the Tourny and making it the ONLY CS slots.

Whatever happens, you've got my full backing, Bluepixie

I'd quite like to play a big game of CS / CS:S, but that can be scheduled in for an hour at some random time.

(oh, BTW, I can't make it for the morning of Saturday, I'll be along for the afternoon sessions though)

The important things for me is:
We have a vote for each slot before the lan starts then we play what is picked for each slot

This means that the LAN will be largely organised beforehand. We play the games we have all agreed on. No pissing about with "I don't like x game".

I would like to see a list of games that we all have installed and ready to go at the lan.
The idea is, you turn up, you pay your dues, connect to the network, you find out what games you need to install / patch and install / patch them. That way, by the time we come round to playing the games, we are *all* set to go.

Sideshow

28th October 2005, 11:35

I would like to see a list of games that we all have installed and ready to go at the lan.
The idea is, you turn up, you pay your dues, connect to the network, you find out what games you need to install / patch and install / patch them. That way, by the time we come round to playing the games, we are *all* set to go.

Good in theory, and I can do this now (with my shiny new laptop). With my old laptop though, there's no way I could do this. Lack of hard disk space meant I had to uninstall the just played game to free up enough space to install the about to be played game. Pretty sure I wasn't the only one in that boat.

Fyndir

28th October 2005, 11:39

I would like to see a list of games that we all have installed and ready to go at the lan.
The idea is, you turn up, you pay your dues, connect to the network, you find out what games you need to install / patch and install / patch them. That way, by the time we come round to playing the games, we are *all* set to go.

Concurred.

What would, possibly, work even better is to have a full list of games that we're very likely to be playing so that anyone who's missing some of them can look into getting them in time for the LAN.

Sid

28th October 2005, 12:03

Bluepixie: I think you've got it wrong when you say that people are 'fannying around' when they aren't playing the current game. Absolutely everyone I saw at the LAN played whatever the main game was except when they didn't have the game, or their computer couldn't handle it. I for one can tell you now that I won't be playing BF2 or any of the more demanding games - I have a GF2MX and it can't handle them.

I think the setup last lan was fine. People called out the games they wanted to play and everyone played - I didn't think there was any real problems. Yeah, maybe a game that one or two people wanted to play didn't get played, but you've got to go with the majority.

In saying this, I'm happy to go along with your new system. I'm sure it'll work out fine providing there's enough slots for the main games that people will want to play again and again.

As for the CS tournament - most of the information in the first post of this thread. It was always going to be a slot based operation overlapping with the main game slots.

ie. The teams will be selected beforehand and each team will be allocated various times. Each team will have 2 games for definite. The best 4 teams will have an additional 3rd game. The games are going to be MR12 with round times of 2 minutes. So at the very maximum the games will be 50 minutes, although they're more likely to be about 30 minutes. Once I have a list of teams I will schedule the games throughout the Saturday.

2pm - Match 1 (team a vs. team b and team d vs. team e)
3pm - Match 2 (team a vs. team c and team d vs. team f)
4pm - Match 3 (team b vs. team c and team e vs. team f)
5pm - Match 4 (Finals)

So on average, between 2 and 6pm, there will be 12 people involved in the tournament for roughly 30 minutes per hour. Assuming 30 people attend the LAN there will still be 18 people available to potentially play the main game at any time and the full 30 people will be available for the 2nd half of the hour.

Bluepixie: Are you interested in competing?

Sideshow

28th October 2005, 12:14

You being a bit optimistic if you think 30 people are gonna come. It'll be more like twenty, if we're lucky.

DAve

28th October 2005, 12:16

So on average, between 2 and 6pm, there will be 12 people involved in the tournament for roughly 30 minutes per hour. Assuming 30 people attend the LAN there will still be 18 people available to potentially play the main game at any time and the full 30 people will be available for the 2nd half of the hour.
30 people at a lan would be great, but we've had an average of 20 people at most lans. Best to count on that.

2pm-6pm is the prime time for gaming. While I'm really looking forward to playing in the CS tourny, I don't want it to take over the entire lan.

Fyndir

28th October 2005, 12:17

You being a bit optimistic if you think 30 people are gonna come. It'll be more like twenty, if we're lucky.

Well I count for like..5...'cause I'm fat. =P

Sid

28th October 2005, 14:58

30 people at a lan would be great, but we've had an average of 20 people at most lans. Best to count on that.

Ah right. I thought there were a few more people coming along this time? Sorry, might of got that wrong.

2pm-6pm is the prime time for gaming. While I'm really looking forward to playing in the CS tourny, I don't want it to take over the entire lan.

Yeah, sure. The times were just a suggestion and I'm not really too bothered when we play. It'd probably be best as an activity in the evening when people are losing motivation for the main game. Hopefully everyone will still be around into the evening, though.

How about 8-11pm with the finals for an hour on Sunday at some point. That could be pretty cool. Depending on how many people take part in the LAN it may take less time that what I've projected.

Bluepixie

28th October 2005, 16:37

P.S. LOL at the RTS section, which is half FPS's :D

Erm, let me edit that. Look again. It's ment to be, RTS and Tactical FPS happening at the same time.

Sideshow

28th October 2005, 16:47

Yeah, I saw that. It still means everyone will be playing the FPS's though, thus stiffing the RTSers (again)

Bluepixie

28th October 2005, 17:00

Bluepixie: Are you interested in competing?

Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not too keen on playing if I can't pick my team. You know the difference in playing with people you work with and people you don't.

My team being.

Bluepixie
YegaDoyai
Sideshow

But I'm open to suggestions. I just don't want this thing to get too serious, would be out of place if it did.

As far as timing goes, Im with Dave here, I don't really want the LAN dominated by CS. Don't take that the wrong way, I've been playing CS since the beta days and 56K goodness, but sometimes you can have too much of a good thing. Particularlly when you're playing in a hot smelly room for two days solid. I shall take your current estimated times and try and build the timetable with the tournament and a free for all game aswell. I suspect that a free-for-all CS game will kick off the LAN or maybe round about 5 or 6 (i.e. Prime Time) Evening is better suited to more co-op, RTS, or just plain silly lightsaber goodness!

And as far as the non-playable games problem goes, check this out.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/GeForce_6800.html

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/9700_to_9800_Series.html

I take it you can only have AGP in your machine. X700 or the 6800(6600 if you have less cash) is the way to go.

Im hitting 9023 3Dmarks in 2003 now with my 6600GT! It is overclocked to hell but heh....

Bluepixie

28th October 2005, 17:04

Yeah, I saw that. It still means everyone will be playing the FPS's though, thus stiffing the RTSers (again)

WTF!?!?!

But you can only have about 4 or 6 people playing an RTS at one time anyhow. It don't make much difference if 6 people play Ghost Recon while the rest play DoW and Starcraft no?

Strings

28th October 2005, 20:57

Ghost Recon Co-Op with Ventrilo would be awesome. Sure that can be arranged while Starcraft is being played.

Bluepixie

29th October 2005, 10:12

Ghost Recon Co-Op with Ventrilo would be awesome. Sure that can be arranged while Starcraft is being played.

Exactly.

*Turns nose up at Sideshow

Sid

29th October 2005, 11:33

Bluepixie: Are you interested in competing?

Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not too keen on playing if I can't pick my team. You know the difference in playing with people you work with and people you don't.

Yeah, I'd love to pick my team but I felt that the teams would end up being a bit unfair, to be honest. Frankly, my personal opinion is that g0r's team will win the tournament regardless of who's in his team. The two of us regularly play in a team together already so I'd love if I could be in his team but I really don't think there would be any balance. I dunno, if no one else has any objections to picking our own teams then maybe...

As far as timing goes, Im with Dave here, I don't really want the LAN dominated by CS. Don't take that the wrong way, I've been playing CS since the beta days and 56K goodness, but sometimes you can have too much of a good thing. Particularlly when you're playing in a hot smelly room for two days solid. I shall take your current estimated times and try and build the timetable with the tournament and a free for all game aswell.

Yeah, definitely. I've been trying to do as much as possible to ensure this doesn't take over the tournament ie. small number of games; short(ish) round-time; MR12 rather that the de facto MR15 and probably most effective of all - match scheduling.

And as far as the non-playable games problem goes, check this out.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/GeForce_6800.html

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/9700_to_9800_Series.html

I take it you can only have AGP in your machine. X700 or the 6800(6600 if you have less cash) is the way to go.

Im hitting 9023 3Dmarks in 2003 now with my 6600GT! It is overclocked to hell but heh....

Yeah, cheers but I'm not going to put any more money into my current machine. Going to be ordering a new one soon enough:

DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego
2x1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR PC4000
XFX GeForce 7800GT 256MB

Sid

29th October 2005, 11:37

Actually sack it... let's pick the teams ourselves. If everyone could just find themselves another 2 people and post with their team of 3 and a name for your team and I'll enter it.

I'll leave the list of the individuals who entered but haven't yet joined a team on the first post so if you're looking for a 2nd or 3rd member you could try PMing them.

Exuus

29th October 2005, 12:59

I'll throw my hat in as well, please let it be CS:S though.

Bluepixie

29th October 2005, 13:04

Yeah, cheers but I'm not going to put any more money into my current machine. Going to be ordering a new one soon enough:

DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego
2x1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR PC4000
XFX GeForce 7800GT 256MB

Beast! Man that's going to be one sweeeet machine! :twisted:
What case you going to put it in? Lian-Li? Antec? I recommend the modual Tagan that came out recentley for power. It came out just before I bought my 480W. Damn, as they say.

Pick our own team then? Ok! I'm in! Shall speak to Sideshow & Doyai and make sure that they are ok with it. Hopefully have the timetable draft up by Monday (fingers crossed) and get the timings sorted. Got alot of Uni work to do right now so I'll try my best. :)

Fyndir

29th October 2005, 15:03

Pick our own team then? Ok! I'm in!

My ONLY objection to pick your own team is that those of us who don't really know any of you get a little bit shafted.

Oh well, I'll go with anyone tbh, it CAN'T be worse than public servers. =P

Grab me on MSN ( fyndir@gmail.com ) or just email/PM me if you want me in a team, otherwise I'll just turn up and find people at the LAN.

Sideshow

29th October 2005, 15:21

If you pick teams you'll end up with two, maybe three that can play well, and the rest (3-5 teams at a guess)will not be competition. I doubt they'd want to play.

Fyndir

29th October 2005, 15:23

If you pick teams you'll end up with two, maybe three that can play well, and the rest (3-5 teams at a guess)will not be competition. I doubt they'd want to play.

Maybe, but I'll join any team that's going.

With a little orginisation, "You're doing what I say or I'm coming over there and smacking you..", it would work out and we'd offer plenty of competition. =P

Strings

29th October 2005, 18:04

Sid

29th October 2005, 19:31

I'll throw my hat in as well, please let it be CS:S though.

Cool - added your name to the list.

If you pick teams you'll end up with two, maybe three that can play well, and the rest (3-5 teams at a guess)will not be competition. I doubt they'd want to play.

Yeah, that's what I was thought initially. But I don't want people not to play because they can't pick their own team.

How about this: people can choose one person to team up with and then the 3rd player of each team will be a random that is less-experienced / doesn't have anyone else to play with?

Beast! Man that's going to be one sweeeet machine! :twisted: What case you going to put it in? Lian-Li? Antec? I recommend the modual Tagan that came out recentley for power. It came out just before I bought my 480W. Damn, as they say.

Yer, I'll probably go for a Tagan or Hiper PSU. I was hoping to have the money for my system before I go to i-series in November but it's looking like I'm gonna need to wait til December.

Pick our own team then? Ok! I'm in! Shall speak to Sideshow & Doyai and make sure that they are ok with it. Hopefully have the timetable draft up by Monday (fingers crossed) and get the timings sorted. Got alot of Uni work to do right now so I'll try my best. :)

Ok, well a few people have raised concerns about the team balancing if people get to pick their own teams entirely. How would you feel about getting to choose one partner to pair up with, then being allocated the 3rd?

That will be a nice setup mate. You should go for a Lian-Li for the case.. I wish I did, instead of the huge Eclipse.

I've already had a Coolermaster ATC-201 for about 3 years. I'll probably stick with that - it does the job relatively well.

gor

30th October 2005, 00:58

I think this partner thing could work.

My initial post on match etiquette probably alarmed some. The games played at the last lan with more teamwork, tended to follow (generally) the tactical code of the game. cs is sometimes neglected. I felt the post would open some eyes about the rules entailed in a match style. I realise now it cant be overly serious, which suits me fine.

If you pick teams you'll end up with two, maybe three that can play well, and the rest (3-5 teams at a guess)will not be competition. I doubt they'd want to play.

Obviously It would be great being in the same team as your mates. Although I think its still important to have a leader, or at least someone with some know how in each team. If necessary I could brief each team before starting. Im happy to show people whats what.
Do you have a suggestion Sideshow?

Sideshow

30th October 2005, 01:06

Not really. I think it'd be better with random teams. Someone sugested splitting all the good players apart as team captains, and I like that idea too.

Exuus

30th October 2005, 14:17

Not really. I think it'd be better with random teams. Someone sugested splitting all the good players apart as team captains, and I like that idea too.

I think this way would be best as well. How many team captains do we need?

Sid

30th October 2005, 14:47

Not really. I think it'd be better with random teams. Someone sugested splitting all the good players apart as team captains, and I like that idea too.

Well, yeah that was my original suggestion but bluepixie said he wanted to choose the teams and I got the impression that a few other people felt like this.

If both of you guys want random teams with experienced players seeded as team captains then I'm happy to do that.

I think this way would be best as well. How many team captains do we need?

We'd need 6 captains. Myself and g0r (gee) have already volunteered ourselves. Would you and Sideshow be interested in leading a team?

I don't have much idea about how good anyone is, so if any of you would like to be a team leader and you can honestly tell me that you know roughly what you're doing then I'll be happy to put your name down as a leader.

Tiberio

30th October 2005, 19:19

Count me in, i can't wait to get my ass kicked by you guys! 8)

Sid

31st October 2005, 10:15

Count me in, i can't wait to get my ass kicked by you guys! 8)

Cool - added your name to list.

That leaves 7 spaces left to be filled.

Bluepixie

31st October 2005, 21:00

I'm fine going with the Captains idea, sounds fair. There will prob be more people joining in on the day I think. Quite a few folks don't hang about here like we do. :)

I'd be happy to be a captain. I haven't been playing 1.6 very much since Source but I still know how to play...... :twisted:

Sid

31st October 2005, 21:37

Ok, I've seperated the list in the first post into Captains and players. We need 4 more players and 3 more captains (or if you're currently a player and would like to be a captain, I can 'promote' you - lol)

I'm fine going with the Captains idea, sounds fair. There will prob be more people joining in on the day I think. Quite a few folks don't hang about here like we do. :)

I'd be happy to be a captain. I haven't been playing 1.6 very much since Source but I still know how to play...... :twisted:

Cool, well I've put your name down as a captain. If anyone else feels they have enough experience and wants to be a captain, let me know.

Fyndir

31st October 2005, 22:05

Sid

1st November 2005, 02:17

I'm not sure if I'm good enough to be a captain, but if we're short one on the day I'll take it I suppose.

I'm really looking for team leaders who are not necessarily the best at the game, but rather those who have experience in playing matches and will be able to organise their team, call positions etc.

My own standard is rather low at the moment as I don't play as much as I used to, but I still know what I'm doing tactically, so I'm happy to lead a team.

If you feel you'd be okay for that, then I'll stick your name down?

Fyndir

1st November 2005, 02:21

Sid

1st November 2005, 02:30

Wait and see who else goes for it, use me as a last resort. =)

Ok doke.

Sideshow

1st November 2005, 09:08

I thought the point of splitting people around the teams wasn't so much to give each team a good leader, but rather to stop the good players clumping together?

Sid

1st November 2005, 09:11

I thought the point of splitting people around the teams wasn't so much to give each team a good leader, but rather to stop the good players clumping together?

Yes it's very likely that it'll do that too, although it wasn't the primary aim.

A team full of "good" players that have no match skills or tactics will lose against a team of noobs with very low aim but top-notch tactics.

Sideshow

1st November 2005, 09:17

Sid

1st November 2005, 09:30

Well, as much as I want to defend CS's tactical and teamwork aspects, it isn't biased enough toward them to make that true. If someone is really good at CS in a shooting sense, they can wipe out whole teams of crap players, regardless of the tactics they use. If they can't aim, they die.

You'd be surprised. I've seen teams of "crap" players who don't really have any real aim or skill but when, as terrorist they all rush at once and flash the correct points when entering the bombsite. Simlarly, when CT their positioning, flashes and responsiveness will win them the game.

I do admit that yes, there are lots of players that could wipe out a whole team of low-skillers, but going by my observation of the public game at the last LAN, I don't think there will be too many of those players here.

gor

1st November 2005, 12:42

I might upload some HLTV demos when I get back from uni. Im sure I have some close 5on5's, while in sgl. I'll have a look.

Sid

2nd November 2005, 11:31

I might upload some HLTV demos when I get back from uni. Im sure I have some close 5on5's, while in sgl. I'll have a look.

What? Ones of you playing? With what team are they? Send me them :D

Sid

3rd November 2005, 10:24

Okay, it's Thursday and there's about 48 hours left til the lan begins. I'd really like to get all the team captain slots filled up so that the small amount of players than join-up on the day can just be allocated to a team.

Could the folks that wish to be leaders please post in the next day. Sideshow? Strings? Is there anyone else that would be a good leader but doesn't post around here?

gor

3rd November 2005, 23:15

Please please please could everyone ensure they have steam up-to-date.

And those without an account, tap a friends and get steam patched!

Fyndir

3rd November 2005, 23:18

Please please please could everyone ensure they have steam up-to-date.

And those without an account, tap a friends and get steam patched!

Update on Friday night, if they release an update between then and the LAN beginning they can get stuffed. =P

gor

4th November 2005, 14:33

Sid

4th November 2005, 14:43

Right, I think we should put captains down and start organising the teams. I would probably go for me, sid, bluepixie, sideshow, strings and fyndir as the team captains. At the moment the tournement can go ahead 2on2. Im pretty sure lots more will want to play come the time. I think sid is going to start randomly picking pairs. Any objections - just say.

Okay, everyone check out the first post in the thread.

I've randomly put the captains into teams (other than me and g0r who were placed as team A and team D respectively as we'll be admining the servers). I've also randomly placed the other 6 people who signed up into teams. We now just need 6 more players who will be randomly assigned teams as they signup.

If there are any serious objections to the particular people in your team ie. if you really don't get on with them - I could possibly do a re-shuffle, although I don't think this is an issue.

I don't intend to go ahead with the tournament as a 2v2 if we don't get another 6. Instead I will lose one of the teams leaving a total of 5, then change the tournament structure slightly.